How Far Is Too Far?

I am grieved for the body of Christ.  Since I started going back to church regularly in 2017, I have been blown away, (in a negative way,) at the amount of faulty doctrine that gets a pass.  Why do people ignore the following false doctrines that say:

  1.  Jesus didn’t come to earth as the Son of God.
  2. We are gods.
  3. John the Baptist was the last of the OT prophets.
  4. We can prophecy out of our own imaginations, but people who “speak negative” are false prophets, even if they prophecy something that is correct.
  5. We can “invite angels into our lives”.
  6. The use of “Christian Destiny” cards that are basically tarot cards with angels on them.
  7. The use of a “Christian” ouija board.
  8. We are righteous and don’t sin any longer.

I’ve wondered how far I should go in resisting these doctrines.  What would you do?  Would you not watch or buy any product from these people?  Would you allow your fellow community of believers to remain ignorant?  Would you speak up for truth in the face of hatred?  How far would you go in standing for righteousness? What does the Bible say about this subject?

Well, here you go:

Matthew 7:15-23

2 Thessalonians 2

Matthew 24: 3-14, 24-25

2 Peter 2:1-3

Romans 16:18

2 Corinthians 2:17

Acts 20:28-31

1 Timothy 6:3-5

Titus 1:7-11

Galatians 1:6-10

1 John 4:1-6

2 Timothy 3:12-17; 4:1-4

2 John 1:7-11

Jude 3-4

Acts 17:11

John 7:24

1 Corinthians 10:15

Luke 6:43-45

Ephesians 4:14-16

Hebrews 5:11-6:3

The Bible makes it clear that we are to search out the truth.  We are to speak against the doctrine of the false teachers, prophets, and apostles.  I do these things.  But I almost wonder how much farther I should go.

Here is what 2 John 7-9 says:

I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what we[a] have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

“Anyone who welcomes them” into our houses, “shares in their wicked work”.  That’s heavy.  At the risk of sounding extreme, it seems like the Word of God doesn’t want me to associated with them in ANY way, shape, or fashion.  We sing songs from these places on the worship team.  My friends post videos of teachings.  My leadership posts articles with these doctrines slipped into them.  I dared question the portion of the article that supported the wrong doctrine concerning angels.  I’m pretty sure that I didn’t win any brownie points for that with man.  However, I’m equally certain that I made God happy with the stand.

It comes down to who I want to please, God or man?  What is my intention in exposing these false doctrines?  I’m not out to hate on any person, or mock them.  However, I will stand for truth, justice, and righteousness.  I will stand for Christ, no matter how radical it makes me look. My love for Him and for the body of Christ demands that.  How far is too far?  I guess that would depend on how much one loves Truth.

Cumulative God

Cumulative God

by Eric Kopp

I believe that when we present things of God we should seek them in a cumulative fashion rather than a factorization approach.

In a factorization approach you break the whole up into parts. These nuggets though good if ever presented on their own miss the point and/or become something other than the whole.


The number 24 is built from the these components (2,2,2,3) The lowest factor of this is 2 and the highest of it is 3.

2 and 3 alone do not make up the whole truth of what 24 is. In fact they are parts of lots of other truths like 26 and 28. If I were to put this in spiritual terms and change the numbers to aspects of the fruit of the Spirit I think its application becomes more evident.

The fruit of the spirit is looked at like a composite meaning that it is one thing and the listings in Galatians are like perspectives or factors of it. Love, Joy, Peace, Longsuffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, and Temperance are like those above factors (2x3x5x7x11…) together they all explain the fruit of the Spirit. If I were to take just one and try to do it without the others, say for example Patience without Love it would not really be the Patience we think it is. In fact it would at most be patience and at worst be tolerance.

In fact, what we see in Corinthians when we factor out Love we end up with nothing.

The character of God is like this also. Often times we focus just on one part, with statements like God is Love, God is Good, God is the Father. Which he is, but what he calls Love is much more. God is also Righteous. God is also Jealous. He has many names and when we strip him down to just one thing everyone looses and in fact what we are presenting may not even be God.

If I go to the lowest common denominator of God being Love but only preach Love we are missing some main points of who God is. A gospel based on this with all the truth and righteousness factored out is not the true gospel. It is the same with a gospel that has factored out love and grace and just judgement.

Please Listen.

Vulnerable moment:

I wish the church would understand that God made us as individuals. All of us are wired differently. The prophets are wired to notice things, and to speak truth. Generally, real prophets are careful to put “thus saith the Lord” behind something, because they realize that they are being a mouthpiece for God. They aren’t perfect in that by any means, but the way that true prophets are wired will cause them to repent quickly. Why? Because they can’t stand having that little bit of sin between them and God.

Too many times, prophets are told to just “go with the flow” or “speak in love”, when the very reason that they say things, is because they DO love people and want them to grow in God. Sometimes there is so much injustice or lies in a situation that they CAN’T go with the flow.

As someone who is a prophet, (and I didn’t accept this term in conjunction with myself until about 16-17 months ago,) I’ve been wounded deeply and rejected by the very same people who want me to “speak in love”. I’m working through these wounds still. It is hard for me to trust the body of Christ. It is hard for me to trust myself. It’s less hard to trust God, but sometimes that is hard too.

For the sake of my fellow prophets, PLEASE don’t just throw off their conversations and sparks of ideas, because they make you uncomfortable. They make you have to think, but please understand in these last days, we NEED to think. We need Spirit AND Truth. Once the church joins these two things hand-in-hand? Harvest, friends.