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THE NEW-FANGLED GARBAGE “THEOLOGY” ABOUT PROPHETS – PART 1

THE NEW-FANGLED GARBAGE “THEOLOGY” ABOUT PROPHETS – PART 1

I’m sick to death of hearing Christians say that the nowadays prophets are different than the OT prophets. First of all, the OT prophets were all different from each other. Sometimes their message was the same, because the hard-hearted, hard-headed, idolatrous Israelites refused to listen to God’s messengers. However, Jeremiah is considered the “weeping” prophet. Elijah is often compared to the fire of God. David sang his prophecies. Moses prophesied the wonders of God and did miracles, but was considered the most humble man in the world.

The Israelites lived under a covenant that they were supposed to be holding up. God was holding up His end. He gave them hundreds of years to hold up their end of the deal. He told them that He was slow to anger, rich in love, gracious and compassionate. (Psa. 103:8, Psa. 145:8) They refused to listen, so were punished by God for breaking covenant. We live under a covenant of grace, but we are still slaves to righteousness.(Romans 6:19) We are still required to live a holy life. If our brother sins against us, Matthew 18 says to let them know. If there is a false teaching going around preaching a different Gospel, both Jesus and the Apostles warned the leaders to expose it.

Prophets should be led by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn’t just the spirit of grace, but also the spirit of truth that comes to convict, judge, etc.

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. – John 16:7-15

I don’t believe in beating people down with judgment. I believe that prophets are only supposed to say what they Holy Spirit tells them, which vicariously is what Jesus and God say. Even the NT shows examples of Jesus slamming the Pharisees, literally whipping the moneychangers, and prophesying judgment on cities who refused to believe the Gospel. Peter prophesied that Ananais and Sapphira would drop dead on site for lying, and they did. Agabus prophesied of famine, which happened, and that Paul would be bound in Jerusalem, which happened.

GOD NEVER CHANGES. ANY “GOSPEL” THAT TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS A FALSE GOSPEL!!! <— That’s a warning, because I do love people and don’t want them to go to hell for believing it. (What a dichotomy! LOVE in the TRUTH.)

NT Basis that God/Jesus/Holy Spirit never changes. He is truth AND love AND justice AND mercy AND judgment. :

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. – Hebrews 13:8

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. – Romans 8: 18-20

I absolutely believe in grace and love, but I have been adamant about not taking the power and strength away from the voice of the prophets. This is because I believe that the tactic of the devil in these days is to water down the message of the Gospel, which has always been radical. The Gospel says that He loves and wishes to know you, but if you choose not to accept that love, you will be separated from it in hell for all eternity. THAT is the New Covenant. Depending on which side you look at it, it is gracious or it is terrifying. In reality, it is both!

PART TWO will be about the similarities and differences between John the Baptist and Jesus.  These are just thoughts from extensive study.

Cumulative God

Cumulative God

by Eric Kopp

I believe that when we present things of God we should seek them in a cumulative fashion rather than a factorization approach.

In a factorization approach you break the whole up into parts. These nuggets though good if ever presented on their own miss the point and/or become something other than the whole.

Example:

The number 24 is built from the these components (2,2,2,3) The lowest factor of this is 2 and the highest of it is 3.

2 and 3 alone do not make up the whole truth of what 24 is. In fact they are parts of lots of other truths like 26 and 28. If I were to put this in spiritual terms and change the numbers to aspects of the fruit of the Spirit I think its application becomes more evident.

The fruit of the spirit is looked at like a composite meaning that it is one thing and the listings in Galatians are like perspectives or factors of it. Love, Joy, Peace, Longsuffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, and Temperance are like those above factors (2x3x5x7x11…) together they all explain the fruit of the Spirit. If I were to take just one and try to do it without the others, say for example Patience without Love it would not really be the Patience we think it is. In fact it would at most be patience and at worst be tolerance.

In fact, what we see in Corinthians when we factor out Love we end up with nothing.

The character of God is like this also. Often times we focus just on one part, with statements like God is Love, God is Good, God is the Father. Which he is, but what he calls Love is much more. God is also Righteous. God is also Jealous. He has many names and when we strip him down to just one thing everyone looses and in fact what we are presenting may not even be God.

If I go to the lowest common denominator of God being Love but only preach Love we are missing some main points of who God is. A gospel based on this with all the truth and righteousness factored out is not the true gospel. It is the same with a gospel that has factored out love and grace and just judgement.

Give to God What is God’s

When it comes to the worship community, I think some people get a little too upset whenever others don’t always give what’s considered a godly answer to all the compliments directed their way– regardless of whether the compliment itself was godly or not.

All the time, I hear people give compliments that are very based in practicality, or the opinion of the world. For example, if someone were to be complimented on their voice, and the complimented person was to reply with a simple, “Thank you, I’ve been practicing a lot,” some would think that response inappropriate. They would perhaps perceive the answer as vain or egotistical or indifferent, at the very least. Some would wonder why the glory wouldn’t be directed to God instead of themselves.

And I think that thought-process has some reasonable sides to it. The glory should technically go to God. He gives each person a voice, and usually, he also gives each person the inspiration and strength to practice and improve it. But try looking at it from this light: the way people state the voice should sound is not the basis of worship music, or worship in general. It is only the decoration, the cherry on top to make it more appealing at first glance. The real stuff is underneath. In fact, vocal merit is a musical demand imposed on us by the secular world. From the practical perspective, it’s more pleasant and profitable to have someone with an amazing voice as opposed to someone who doesn’t.

That’s why it seems a little confusing to me whenever some people reply to “Wow, your voice is amazing!” with some reply like “Oh, to God be the glory!” To me, it seems backwards to glorify something that we improve mostly because the world demands it of us. We don’t improve our voice just because of God. Honestly, we just want to sound good. And that’s okay! I think it’s reasonable to want to sound good; more people listen that way. But I think things that are imposed on us by the world should be replied with an answer just as worldly. The world says, “You have a great voice!” The world replies back, “Thanks, I’ve been working really hard!”

Now let’s consider compliments that are not based in what the world requires. Say someone approached a member of a worship team and said, “The last song really touched me.” It becomes obvious that an answer like “Thank you, I’ve been working really hard,” doesn’t quite fit the bill anymore. I think this is because this is a case where the glory does go to God, in a way that is undeniable. Being touched by God has absolutely nothing to do with us. We may be vessels (our voice is a part of that), but what that vessel holds is not from us. God touching us has nothing to do with the world or what it requires. It becomes clear that a “godly” compliment (“this song touched me”) should be a kind of question that is replied to by directing the credit to God.

“Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him. – Mark 12:17

Post by Lilly Kopp